The virtual 1958-68 Giants, Reds and Cardinals (Part 11: 1967-68)
It’s been quite an extensive journey, but we’re finally nearing the end of our tale of three franchises:
1957-58
1958-59
1959-60
1960-61
1961-62
1962-63
1963-64
1964-65
1965-66
1966-67
In every single episode except the first, the National League pennant has been won by either our San Francisco Giants, our Cincinnati Reds, or, in the case of 1959, both. But our Cardinals, long bogged down in the distant pack of also-rans, have finally emerged as a deadly serious competitor in 1966 and ’67.
Giants: Actual Reds: Actual Cardinals: Actual Year W L Pos RS RA W L Pos RS RA W L Pos RS RA 1958 80 74 3 727 698 76 78 4 695 623 72 82 5T 619 704 1959 83 71 3 705 613 74 80 5T 764 738 71 83 7 641 725 1960 79 75 5 671 631 67 87 6 640 692 86 68 3 639 616 1961 85 69 3 773 655 93 61 1 710 653 80 74 5 703 668 1962 103 62 1 878 690 98 64 3 802 685 84 78 6 774 664 1963 88 74 3 725 641 86 76 5 648 594 93 69 2 747 628 1964 90 72 4 656 587 92 70 2T 660 566 93 69 1 715 652 1965 95 67 2 682 593 89 73 4 825 704 80 81 7 707 674 1966 93 68 2 675 626 76 84 7 692 702 83 79 6 571 577 1967 91 71 2 652 551 87 75 4 604 563 101 60 1 695 557 Giants: Virtual Reds: Virtual Cardinals: Virtual Year W L Pos RS RA W L Pos RS RA W L Pos RS RA 1958 83 71 2T 747 692 73 81 5 683 637 77 77 4 640 677 1959 87 67 1T 737 615 87 67 1T 802 662 84 70 4 725 685 1960 93 61 1 709 561 76 78 6 705 666 86 68 4 661 632 1961 88 66 2 787 648 106 48 1 813 629 72 82 6 689 724 1962 103 59 1 800 632 101 61 2T 779 663 84 78 6 809 703 1963 97 65 3 726 578 100 62 1 704 540 80 82 6 664 668 1964 100 62 2 726 576 101 61 1 689 533 87 75 4 662 657 1965 99 63 1 697 587 98 64 2 843 646 85 76 5 692 622 1966 106 55 1 739 581 87 73 5 769 677 105 57 2 667 514 1967 84 78 4 677 639 94 68 1 725 561 90 71 3 606 569
Who will take our final prize?
The 1967-68 offseason: Actual deals we will make
Feb. 13, 1968: The San Francisco Giants traded catcher Tom Haller and pitcher Frank Kasheta to the Los Angeles Dodgers for infielders Ron Hunt and Nate Oliver.
This was a brash move* by Horace Stoneham, one certainly not without risk. Haller was a significant asset, all the more so because he was the Giants’ only meaningful left-handed bat other than Willie McCovey.
But Haller would turn 31 during the 1968 season, and it was sensible to expect his value would soon begin to decline. Hunt was four years younger, and even factoring in Hunt’s injury-proneness, four years is a big difference in age.
Moreover, the Giants had significantly more organizational depth at catcher than they did at second base. To put it simply, the ball club would likely be hurt by losing Haller less than it would be helped by adding Hunt. That says, “Pull the trigger.” Given that all that’s true for our Giants, as well, we’ll take the shot.
The 1967-68 offseason: Actual deals we will not make
Oct. 10, 1967: The Cincinnati Reds traded first baseman-third baseman Deron Johnson to the Atlanta Braves for outfielders Mack Jones and Jim Beauchamp and pitcher Jay Ritchie.
Our Reds have already traded Johnson, so can’t make this one. Nor do we have a need for Jones, anyway.
Still, it’s worth considering just how strange a trade this was by Atlanta GM Paul Richards, as we did in the Blockbusters series:
… the logic of [this] deal isn’t even clear. A healthy Johnson was no better than Jones, and Johnson had suffered though a dreadful, injury-plagued 1967 season. The best case is that he would rebound, and the shift of incumbent first baseman Felipe Alou to center field to replace Jones would hold the Braves even.
Why make a trade in which the best case is break-even? On the long list of head-scratchers The Wizard of Waxahachie presented in his 1966-72 tenure with the Braves, this one is prominent.
Nov. 8, 1967: The Cincinnati Reds traded outfielder Art Shamsky to the New York Mets for infielder Bob Johnson.
Speaking of odd trades … as we put it here:
This one made little sense at the time. Johnson was a useful ballplayer, one of the best-hitting utility infielders of his (or any other) era. But a utility infielder was all Johnson was, and moreover he would be 32 years old for the 1968 season, while the power-hitting Shamsky would be 26. And while Shamsky had performed poorly in 1967, he’d been so spectacular in a limited role in 1966 that it seemed premature to be exchanging him for someone with so much less potential.
Obviously, in our scenario the Cardinals have Shamsky, not the Reds, so you may guess that our Cards won’t make it. We’ll give Shamsky one more chance.
Nov. 29, 1967: The Cincinnati Reds traded pitcher Sammy Ellis to the California Angels for pitchers Bill Kelso and Jorge Rubio.
Feb. 8, 1968: The Cincinnati Reds traded catcher Johnny Edwards to the St. Louis Cardinals for catcher Pat Corrales and infielder Jimy Williams.
Like the actual Reds, our version is quite ready to deal away both the rapidly-fading Ellis and the already-rapidly-faded Edwards. But we think we can do better than this, as elaborated below.
Jan. 11, 1968: The St. Louis Cardinals traded outfielder Alex Johnson to the Cincinnati Reds for outfielder Dick Simpson.
Neither of our teams has either of these talented-but-scuffling youngsters, so no deal here.
The 1967-68 offseason: Deals we will invoke
Oct. 13, 1967: The San Francisco Giants traded infielders Tito Fuentes and Dick Schofield to the St. Louis Cardinals for pitchers Al Jackson and John Gelnar and cash.
Our Giants will unload the disappointing Fuentes, as each team promptly takes opening steps to address mutual issues.
Nov. 21, 1967: The Cincinnati Reds traded pitchers Darrell Osteen and Bill Henry to the St. Louis Cardinals for infielder Phil Gagliano.
More scenery-changing, as Gagliano hasn’t turned out to be quite what our Cards had hoped.
Nov. 21, 1967: The Cincinnati Reds traded outfielder Tommy Harper to the Cleveland Indians for pitcher George Culver and outfielder Bob Raudman.
This is almost exactly the deal actually made by these teams. The only difference is that our Reds won’t receive first baseman Fred Whitfield as part of the package from Cleveland. But that’s appropriate, given that in our scenario Harper hasn’t yet been nearly as prominent a player as in real life.
Nov. 28, 1967: The St. Louis Cardinals traded pitcher Eddie Fisher to the Cleveland Indians for pitcher John O’Donoghue.
In reality, it was the Baltimore Orioles swapping Fisher for O’Donoghue. Our reasoning concurs with theirs: We’ve loved Fisher, but he just turned 31 in the middle of a season in which he was distinctly more hittable than his best. At this point, we like our chances with the 28-year-old southpaw a bit better.
Nov. 29, 1967: In a three-club deal, the San Francisco Giants traded outfielder Jose Cardenal and shortstop Hal Lanier to the Cleveland Indians, and pitcher Hal Haydel to the California Angels. The Indians sent shortstop Larry Brown to the Giants, and outfielder-infielder Chuck Hinton to the Angels, and the Angels sent catcher-first baseman Jack Hiatt to the Giants.
Please allow us to assist in the unpacking of this multi-layered shopping bag.
The core of the deal is the actual Hinton-for-Cardenal swap undertaken between the Indians and Angels on this date. Like the actual Angels, our Giants are frustrated enough with Cardenal to be ready to go in a different direction, and so we’ll provide the Indians with what they want.
But in exchange, we’ll insist that Cleveland also take a swap of shortstops, providing us with their bland-but-steady-all-around Brown in return for our better-fielding but woefully poorer-hitting Lanier. It would make sense for Indians GM Gabe Paul to consent.
Meanwhile, the Angels get what they want in Hinton. But they can’t have him for free, so it’s plausible to imagine them giving up Hiatt, whom they’d actually traded straight-up for Cardenal a few years ago. With the Angels unable to make that trade, we presume Hiatt would have spent 1965-67 competing for a California major league roster spot and playing time similarly to the manner in which he actually did in the San Francisco organization. He offers intriguing on-base ability, but moderate power and questionable defense.
Feb. 8, 1968: The Cincinnati Reds traded infielder Tommy Helms, pitcher Sammy Ellis, and catcher Johnny Edwards to the San Francisco Giants for pitchers Bob Bolin and Dick Ellsworth and infielder Cesar Gutierrez.
As indicated above, Ellis and Edwards have both plainly reached their sell-by dates in Cincinnati. This places our Reds in less than the strongest of bargaining positions, so they’ll also have to pony up something significant in order to get something significant in return. In the slick-fielding, slap-hitting, not-yet-27-year-old Helms, they do.
And, thus, our Giants are willing to give up both Bolin and Ellsworth, a struggling pair in 1967, but quite successful in the past, and both still under 30.
Feb., 1968: The Cincinnati Reds traded pitcher Bob Lee to the Chicago Cubs for catcher Johnny Stephenson.
The Cubs would release Stephenson in the spring of 1968, so it’s quite plausible they’d have accepted the offer of a warm body.
April, 1968: The San Francisco Giants traded catcher Bob Barton, infielder-outfielder Frank Johnson, and cash to the St. Louis Cardinals for pitcher John O’Donoghue.
As spring training draws to a close, it’s appearing as though O’Donoghue won’t even make our St. Louis staff. Instead, our Cards will let the Giants take him in return for some bench depth.
April 1, 1968: The San Francisco Giants sold pitcher Stu Miller to the Atlanta Braves.
Actually, the Braves purchased Miller from Baltimore on this date. The veteran junkballer has given our Giants a wonderful run, but is finally getting squeezed out of our bullpen.
The 1968 season: Actual deals we will make
Well, none.
The 1968 season: Actual deals we will not make
April 22, 1968: The St. Louis Cardinals traded pitchers Jack Lamabe and Ron Piche to the Chicago Cubs for pitchers Pete Mikkelsen and Dave Dowling.
Our Cards don’t have Lamabe, so won’t engage in this fiddling with the back end of the bullpen.
June 11, 1968: The Cincinnati Reds traded pitchers Milt Pappas and Ted Davidson and infielder Bob Johnson to the Atlanta Braves for pitchers Clay Carroll and Tony Cloninger and infielder Woody Woodward.
Nor do our Reds have any of these guys, so no Hawk Carroll for us.
June 15, 1968: The St. Louis Cardinals traded outfielder Dick Simpson and pitcher Hal Gilson to the Houston Astros for outfielder Ron Davis.
And, alas, our Cardinals can’t pull off this swap of fifth outfielders.
June 27, 1968: The San Francisco Giants sold pitcher Bill Henry to the Pittsburgh Pirates.
No, not the other Bill Henry. This one.
The 1968 season: Deals we will invoke
July 12, 1968: The St. Louis Cardinals traded pitcher Lindy McDaniel to the New York Yankees for pitcher Bill Monbouquette.
Actually it was the Giants making this deal. We’ve come to expect something of an up-and-down pattern from McDaniel, but 1967 was one of his down years, and he’s getting pulverized so far in ’68. So, like the actual Giants, our Cards will conclude that at the age of 32 it’s time to bid him farewell.
And Monbouquette intrigues us. He’s a year younger than McDaniel and is proving no longer effective as a starter, but he seems the type who will thrive as a relief specialist for a few years.
(Of course, McDaniel would immediately rebound and thrive in the American League until the age of 39, while Monbouquette would be completely finished this year. Shows what we know.)
July 20, 1968: The St. Louis Cardinals sold infielder Wayne Causey to the California Angels.
He just isn’t hitting, so we’ll call up rookie Steve Huntz instead.
1968 season results
Giants
We’ve undertaken a major overhaul of the team that disappointed in 1967. Hunt will take over as our primary second baseman with Helms and Brown battling it out for shortstop. Behind the plate, Hiatt will compete with fellow youngster Dick Dietz and the veteran Edwards.
We were willing to part with Cardenal because our farm system has produced Bobby Bonds, a rookie outfielder with an even more impressive package of power-and-speed tools. The right-field job is his to lose.
The starting rotation behind Juan Marichal and Gaylord Perry is wide open. We’ll give opportunities to newcomers Jackson, Gelnar, Ellis, and O’Donoghue, as well as holdovers Rich Robertson and Dick Kelley.
1968 San Francisco Giants Won 96 Lost 66 Finished 2nd (tied) Pos Player Age G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ 1B W. McCovey* 30 148 523 82 153 16 4 36 105 72 71 .293 .378 .545 .923 174 2B R. Hunt 27 141 476 72 122 17 0 2 25 71 36 .256 .369 .305 .673 103 SS-2B T. Helms 27 120 426 29 119 23 2 2 38 11 23 .279 .298 .357 .655 95 3B-OF J. Hart 26 136 480 68 124 14 3 23 78 46 74 .258 .323 .444 .767 128 RF-CF B. Bonds 22 141 526 95 147 22 10 15 60 58 125 .279 .352 .445 .797 137 CF W. Mays 37 148 498 85 144 20 5 23 79 67 81 .289 .372 .488 .860 156 LF-1B O. Cepeda 30 141 490 58 122 21 2 16 55 35 79 .249 .308 .398 .706 110 C D. Dietz 26 86 226 17 60 10 2 5 26 25 51 .265 .340 .394 .734 119 IF L. Brown 28 101 248 24 58 9 2 3 18 19 24 .234 .291 .323 .613 84 3B-1B K. Boyer 37 93 245 20 64 7 2 7 37 18 40 .261 .309 .392 .700 109 C J. Edwards* 30 81 207 13 49 8 1 4 23 14 18 .237 .283 .343 .626 87 C J. Hiatt 25 79 184 17 43 8 2 4 26 34 50 .234 .355 .364 .719 116 OF F. Valentine# 33 84 192 21 42 5 2 5 12 11 31 .219 .271 .344 .614 83 OF K. Henderson# 22 74 178 22 39 8 2 4 20 18 43 .219 .294 .354 .647 93 IF B. Schroder* 23 63 88 11 17 2 1 0 4 12 7 .193 .295 .239 .534 61 Others 44 4 11 1 1 0 4 4 8 .250 .300 .318 .618 85 Pitchers 437 28 57 7 1 1 19 12 185 .130 .146 .158 .304 -9 Total 5468 666 1371 198 42 150 629 527 946 .251 .318 .385 .703 110 * Bats left # Bats both Pitcher Age G GS CG W L SV IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA ERA+ J. Marichal 30 38 38 30 27 9 0 326 295 106 88 21 46 218 2.43 124 G. Perry 29 39 38 19 17 14 1 291 240 93 79 10 59 173 2.44 123 R. Robertson 23 37 34 12 16 11 0 239 234 92 76 10 83 174 2.86 105 D. Kelley* 28 31 11 1 3 3 1 88 79 32 26 3 40 66 2.66 113 A. Jackson* 32 25 9 0 4 5 3 84 79 38 33 4 14 56 3.54 85 J. Gelnar 25 25 12 2 4 5 0 75 79 31 27 9 14 36 3.24 93 D. Estelle* 26 12 6 1 1 3 1 48 49 24 20 4 16 26 3.75 80 F. Linzy 27 57 0 0 10 7 12 95 76 30 22 1 27 36 2.08 144 D. McMahon 38 45 0 0 6 2 1 82 57 18 18 4 27 65 1.98 152 S. Ellis 27 28 8 1 6 4 1 74 75 37 32 7 23 45 3.89 77 J. O'Donoghue* 28 23 7 1 2 3 2 68 85 36 28 5 16 34 3.71 81 Others 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Total 163 67 96 66 22 1470 1348 537 449 78 365 929 2.75 109 * Throws left
Orlando Cepeda slumps dramatically. And Jim Ray Hart, bothered by a sore shoulder, sees his production decline as well.
But that’s pretty much the extent of the bad news. Just about everything else goes as anticipated, or better. Bonds is wonderful. Robertson strides forward with an excellent season. Marichal, Willie Mays, and Willie McCovey all rebound from their sub-par 1967 performances with Stretch delivering his best year yet.
Essentially, we’re a team without a weakness. Our patience-and-power offense is the league’s best, and our pitching is very close to it.
But falling just two wins short of our Pythagorean projection proves fatal, as we finish an agonizingly close second.
Reds
We’re making a few tweaks. Gagliano replaces Helms in the infield, and he’ll back up Cesar Tovar at second base. On the mound, acquisitions Culver, Bolin, and Ellsworth will compete for starting assignments.
The most significant change will be at catcher, where ballyhooed rookie Johnny Bench will be given the opportunity to take the first-string job.
1968 Cincinnati Reds Won 97 Lost 65 Finished 1st Pos Player Age G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ 1B-OF L. May 25 146 559 78 162 32 1 22 80 34 100 .290 .336 .469 .804 134 2B-OF C. Tovar 27 157 613 85 167 31 6 6 52 31 41 .272 .321 .372 .693 103 SS L. Cardenas 29 137 452 45 106 13 2 7 41 36 83 .235 .289 .319 .607 78 3B T. Perez 26 153 577 86 163 23 6 17 85 48 84 .282 .340 .432 .772 125 RF F. Robinson 32 130 421 73 117 28 2 13 62 66 83 .278 .389 .447 .836 145 CF V. Pinson* 29 130 499 54 135 29 6 5 53 32 59 .271 .308 .383 .691 102 LF-CF P. Rose# 27 149 626 94 210 42 6 10 54 56 76 .335 .390 .470 .860 151 C J. Bench 20 146 508 60 140 36 2 14 76 28 86 .276 .311 .437 .748 117 OF T. Gonzalez* 31 101 277 30 76 9 3 2 31 27 28 .274 .344 .350 .694 104 UT P. Ward* 30 91 220 24 46 8 0 9 34 36 47 .209 .335 .368 .703 106 1B B. White* 34 76 154 14 36 6 1 4 20 15 33 .234 .302 .364 .666 95 2B P. Gagliano 26 66 126 16 31 6 2 0 18 7 14 .246 .285 .325 .610 79 C J. Azcue 28 38 89 6 24 3 0 1 12 5 9 .270 .305 .337 .642 88 SS-2B C. Gutierrez 25 46 89 6 20 2 1 0 7 1 7 .225 .242 .270 .511 50 C J. Stephenson* 27 25 39 4 6 1 0 1 4 1 6 .154 .175 .256 .431 25 Others 17 0 3 0 0 0 1 1 5 .176 .222 .176 .399 18 Pitchers 381 23 53 9 0 3 15 23 163 .139 .176 .185 .361 6 Total 5647 698 1495 278 38 114 645 447 924 .265 .320 .388 .708 107 * Bats left # Bats both Pitcher Age G GS CG W L SV IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA ERA+ C. Osteen* 28 39 36 5 14 13 0 254 282 110 100 16 56 121 3.54 89 J. Maloney 28 33 32 8 16 10 0 207 183 100 83 17 80 181 3.61 88 B. Bolin 29 34 19 6 11 4 1 177 131 43 41 9 48 126 2.08 152 G. Culver 24 30 23 3 8 11 2 155 154 64 54 5 58 79 3.14 101 G. Nolan 20 23 22 4 9 4 0 150 105 48 40 10 49 111 2.40 132 D. Ellsworth* 28 24 21 7 11 3 0 134 148 50 47 9 22 71 3.16 100 M. Queen 26 5 4 0 0 1 0 18 25 15 12 7 6 20 6.00 53 W. Wood* 26 84 2 0 12 6 17 151 126 35 32 8 29 71 1.91 166 T. Abernathy 35 78 0 0 10 7 15 135 111 43 37 9 55 64 2.47 128 D. Nottebart 32 33 0 0 3 1 3 51 57 21 20 3 17 42 3.53 90 B. McCool* 23 30 4 0 3 4 2 51 59 35 28 4 41 30 4.94 64 Others 0 0 0 1 0 6 7 4 4 1 6 8 6.00 53 Total 163 33 97 65 40 1489 1388 568 498 98 467 924 3.01 105 * Throws left
Injuries are a problem. Outfielders Frank Robinson and Vada Pinson are both nagged by chronic hurts and perform less than their best. Sophomore right hander Gary Nolan is limited by a sore arm to 22 starts, and fellow righty Mel Queen is held to just 18 ineffective innings.
But just as in 1967, the depth of this roster meets the challenge. Bench more than fulfills his promise. Sophomore Lee May elbows aside veteran Bill White at first base and emerges as a slugging star. Pete Rose delivers his best year so far, leading the majors in hits, batting average, and OBP.
The trade with the Giants proves pivotal as Bolin and Ellsworth both bounce back from poor 1967 showings to ride to the starting rotation’s rescue. (Bolin is so good, he’s second in the league in ERA+.) And in the bullpen, Wilbur Wood masters his knuckleball and blossoms as a tireless star.
We are unaffected by Pythagorean whim, as we hit our projection of 97 wins on the nose. And it proves just enough for us to claim our second straight pennant, our fifth flag of the 1960s.
Cardinals
Our modifications to the roster this year are minor. In an effort to improve our defense, we’ll make Dal Maxvill our primary shortstop, backed up by the veteran Schofield, and slide Causey to second base, where he’ll platoon with Jerry Buchek. In the bullpen, we’ll introduce rookie right-handers Wayne Granger and Ron Willis.
1968 St. Louis Cardinals Won 96 Lost 66 Finished 2nd (tied) Pos Player Age G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ 1B-RF F. Alou 33 160 640 70 204 37 6 8 80 46 53 .319 .366 .433 .799 141 2B-SS S. Huntz# 22 58 202 25 49 10 0 3 25 24 36 .243 .322 .337 .658 99 SS D. Maxvill 29 151 459 51 116 8 5 1 26 52 71 .253 .328 .298 .626 90 3B M. Shannon 28 156 576 62 153 29 2 15 87 37 114 .266 .307 .401 .708 113 RF-CF B. Tolan* 22 123 385 42 92 16 2 7 31 20 57 .239 .282 .345 .627 89 CF C. Flood 30 150 618 78 186 17 4 5 60 33 58 .301 .336 .366 .702 112 LF L. Brock* 29 159 660 101 184 46 14 6 51 46 124 .279 .327 .418 .745 124 C T. McCarver* 26 128 434 35 110 15 6 5 53 26 31 .253 .293 .350 .644 94 1B-C D. Pavletich 29 62 181 21 48 7 1 5 26 19 37 .265 .335 .398 .733 121 C B. Barton 26 80 176 11 42 5 0 1 11 14 32 .239 .289 .284 .573 74 1B A. Shamsky* 26 77 173 19 40 7 3 5 29 9 30 .231 .279 .393 .672 101 2B J. Buchek 26 73 173 10 32 4 0 1 12 9 48 .185 .231 .225 .457 38 2B W. Causey* 31 59 158 15 31 4 1 0 16 19 14 .196 .279 .234 .513 56 OF T. Savage 31 64 134 11 29 6 1 2 9 10 21 .216 .276 .321 .597 80 SS-2B D. Schofield# 33 69 127 14 28 7 1 1 8 13 31 .220 .303 .315 .618 87 UT E. Spiezio 26 29 51 1 8 0 0 0 2 5 6 .157 .228 .157 .385 18 C D. Breeden 26 6 10 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 2 .200 .273 .200 .473 45 Others 33 5 9 0 0 1 1 4 4 .273 .351 .364 .715 116 Pitchers 437 20 62 8 1 3 19 18 138 .142 .166 .187 .354 7 Total 5627 592 1425 226 47 69 547 405 907 .253 .303 .347 .650 96 * Bats left # Bats both Pitcher Age G GS CG W L SV IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA ERA+ B. Gibson 32 34 34 28 22 9 0 305 198 49 38 11 62 268 1.12 259 L. Jackson 37 34 34 12 14 11 0 244 224 87 72 8 61 126 2.66 109 N. Briles 24 33 33 13 19 11 0 244 251 90 76 18 55 141 2.80 103 S. Carlton* 23 34 33 10 13 11 0 232 214 87 77 11 61 162 2.99 97 L. Jaster* 24 31 21 3 9 13 0 154 153 63 60 13 38 70 3.51 83 W. Granger 24 58 0 0 7 5 6 83 70 26 22 2 18 52 2.39 122 J. Hoerner* 31 47 0 0 8 2 17 49 34 9 8 2 12 42 1.47 197 R. Willis 24 38 0 0 2 1 3 51 40 20 19 3 22 31 3.35 86 D. Hughes 30 26 6 0 2 2 3 68 49 28 28 8 23 51 3.71 78 L. McDaniel 32 16 0 0 0 0 0 25 41 22 20 2 8 12 7.20 40 Monbouquette 31 11 0 0 0 1 1 18 19 13 8 5 3 8 4.00 73 Others 1 0 0 0 0 6 7 2 2 0 4 2 3.00 97 Total 162 66 96 66 30 1479 1300 496 430 83 367 965 2.62 111 * Throws left
We encounter one glaring problem: neither of our second basemen hits a lick, leading to our desperation move in mid-July of dumping Causey and promoting the 22-year-old switch-hitter Huntz. The rookie doesn’t perform as a star, but down the stretch he fills the hole quite adequately.
Fortified by a bounce-back year from Felipe Alou, our offense isn’t great, but it’s decent. Our pitching, however, is marvelous, led exquisitely by Bob Gibson, who’s stunningly brilliant, leaving observers in awe at one of the greatest pitching seasons of this or any other era.
It adds up to an excellent ball club, an entirely formidable competitor, going toe-to-toe with the Giants and Reds and not backing down an inch. When the final bell rings on this intensely close three-way battle, we’re tied with San Francisco, just the tiniest margin behind Cincinnati, in a truly memorable pennant race.
Epilogue
This brings us to the finish of our 11-season saga.
Giants: Actual Reds: Actual Cardinals: Actual Year W L Pos RS RA W L Pos RS RA W L Pos RS RA 1958 80 74 3 727 698 76 78 4 695 623 72 82 5T 619 704 1959 83 71 3 705 613 74 80 5T 764 738 71 83 7 641 725 1960 79 75 5 671 631 67 87 6 640 692 86 68 3 639 616 1961 85 69 3 773 655 93 61 1 710 653 80 74 5 703 668 1962 103 62 1 878 690 98 64 3 802 685 84 78 6 774 664 1963 88 74 3 725 641 86 76 5 648 594 93 69 2 747 628 1964 90 72 4 656 587 92 70 2T 660 566 93 69 1 715 652 1965 95 67 2 682 593 89 73 4 825 704 80 81 7 707 674 1966 93 68 2 675 626 76 84 7 692 702 83 79 6 571 577 1967 91 71 2 652 551 87 75 4 604 563 101 60 1 695 557 1968 88 74 2 599 529 83 79 4 690 673 97 65 1 583 472 Giants: Virtual Reds: Virtual Cardinals: Virtual Year W L Pos RS RA W L Pos RS RA W L Pos RS RA 1958 83 71 2T 747 692 73 81 5 683 637 77 77 4 640 677 1959 87 67 1T 737 615 87 67 1T 802 662 84 70 4 725 685 1960 93 61 1 709 561 76 78 6 705 666 86 68 4 661 632 1961 88 66 2 787 648 106 48 1 813 629 72 82 6 689 724 1962 103 59 1 800 632 101 61 2T 779 663 84 78 6 809 703 1963 97 65 3 726 578 100 62 1 704 540 80 82 6 664 668 1964 100 62 2 726 576 101 61 1 689 533 87 75 4 662 657 1965 99 63 1 697 587 98 64 2 843 646 85 76 5 692 622 1966 106 55 1 739 581 87 73 5 769 677 105 57 2 667 514 1967 84 78 4 677 639 94 68 1 725 561 90 71 3 606 569 1968 96 66 2T 666 539 97 65 1 698 568 96 66 2T 592 496
What might we have learned along the way?
First, the obvious: Both the Giants and Reds organizations in this period presented amazingly productive farm systems, and it was only the blundering deployment of their abundant riches of talent that prevented either franchise from laying out a dynastic run of historic proportion. But we already knew that.
And the Cardinals organization was not producing talent at nearly the same rate, and thus the pennants they snagged in 1964, ’67, and ’68 were remarkable feats of trading. Without the gifts from Cincinnati (Curt Flood) and San Francisco (Ernie Broglio and Orlando Cepeda), those St. Louis flags would not have flown. But then, we already knew that too.
But what this elaborate counterfactual simulation has provided is a detailed illustration of exactly how the dynamics of these three formidable franchises intersected and may have differently intersected. Particularly over a period of time as long as this exercise examines, a change at one point can have a multiplier effect at a later point. Seemingly small things can lead to big things.
If the Reds hadn’t traded the prospect Flood to the Cardinals in 1957, then (a) Flood would find himself blocked by Vada Pinson from immediately becoming a center fielder and instead would have developed his infielding skills, at least for several years. And, (b) the Cardinals, without Flood in center, might well find themselves willing to commit to the blockbuster move of trading Ken Boyer in order to acquire a different center fielder, Felipe Alou, as a main element in the package.
If the Giants hadn’t traded the prospect Broglio to the Cardinals in 1958, then (a) he becomes a star in his hometown Bay Area, never gets traded for Lou Brock, and is remembered today as a minor celebrity who pitched in multiple World Series, not as the butt end of a historically disastrous trade. And, (b) the Cardinals, without Broglio in their rotation, might well have declined to trade Larry Jackson in 1962, and Jackson thus remains a Cardinal for his entire 200-game-winning career and is remembered today as one of the best pitchers in the great history of that franchise.
And if the Cardinals hadn’t traded the journeyman Jim Brosnan to the Reds in 1959, then (a) the book he was writing that year, The Long Season, wouldn’t have included the episode describing the stress of a midseason trade and the challenge of fitting in with a new team and a new clubhouse culture. And, (b) Brosnan’s 1961 follow-up book could hardly have been titled Pennant Race, seeing as the 1961 Cardinals in this scenario were engaged in anything but. Perhaps he would have titled it Rebuilding Year, or simply The Longer Season. Not quite the same sizzle.
Anyway, the exercise should remind us that the way things are is not the way things must be. Baseball teams, like all the world around us, are the sum of an incalculably huge jumble of decisions, big and small, any one of which, rendered alternatively, might have led to an unrecognizably different result.
Or, as a poet once put it:
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth.Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same.And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I —
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
– Robert Frost
References & Resources
* This deal was extremely unusual simply for the fact that it was conducted between the Giants and Dodgers, arch-enemies who studiously avoided trading with one another. This transaction was the first between these teams since they’d moved west 10 years earlier. Their most recent deal had been way back in December of 1956, when Stoneham’s Giants attempted to acquire none other than Jackie Robinson from the Dodgers in exchange for pitcher Dick Littlefield and $30,000 cash. Robinson then announced his retirement, and the trade was voided.
The most recent non-voided trade between the franchises was a swap of minor league pitchers Bud Byerly and Norman Fox in 1953. The most recent transaction involving a major league player was Brooklyn’s sale of third baseman Spider Jorgensen to the Giants in 1950. The most recently completed trade of major league players between the teams was in July of 1943, when the Giants sent infielder Joe Orengo and pitchers Bill Lohrman and Bill Sayles to the Dodgers for first baseman Dolph Camilli and pitcher Johnny Allen.
Following this 1968 Haller-Hunt deal, the next transaction between the teams was the waiver purchase by the Dodgers of catcher Dick Dietz in 1972 (a bizarre transaction more akin to the Giants firing Dietz in retaliation for his work as an MLBPA representative than to an on-field consideration). In 1975, the Giants would claim outfielder Von Joshua on waivers from the Dodgers. Following that, no transactions between the franchises would be made until 1985, when the Giants traded catcher Alex Treviño to Los Angeles for outfielder Candy Maldonado.
I want to thank you for doing this. Wow! What a trip down memory lane. I first became aware of Major League Baseball in late 1965 at age 9 from listening to Giants games on the radio. I well remember the frustration of the late 60’s for the Giants.
1967 was a microcosm of the types of things that seemed to go wrong and always conspire to make them come up in second place. That was the year Mike McCormick had a magical season winning 22 games and the Cy Young Award. It also just happened to be the one down year for Juan Marichal out of a run of 8. Marichal has his usual season and I think they might have actually given the Cards a run for it.
PS: Still disagree with you no the Cepeda trade. I think they had to trade him. My only wish is that they had traded him to an AL club instead of the Cards.
Always enjoyable, Mr. Treder. Have you consider giving the re-working treatment to the Bill James two great underperforming teams, the 1960s Braves and the 1990s Mariners? They certainly needed a little help.
My sincere thanks for the kind words. We’ll agree to disagree about the Baby Bull trade.
We share a very cool touchpoint: though they’d been on in the household since my very first stirrings of consciousness, I really began listening to the Giants games on the radio over the course of the 1965 season. I was seven that summer. Those sounds and memories are seared in good and deep.
My presentation proposal for this year’s SABR convention is on the career of Ducky Schofield. Fingers crossed that they’ll accept it!
@ sleepyirv:
I have toyed with both of those (especially the Braves). But the one that’s in the slow-cooker right now involves the Yankees, Red Sox, and Indians. Will say no more.
Steve,
So I take it you have fond memories of Russ Hodges and Lon Simmons with an occasional Bill Thompson throw in too? Vin Scully or no Vin Scully, Russ and Lon will always be the gold standard for me.
“Fond” doesn’t do justice to those memories. The gold standard, definitely.
But on some evenings when the atmospheric conditions were just right, my brother and I could get KFI from Los Angeles on our little plastic AM radio loud and clear. Vin Scully was marvelous, and much as we detested (and to be honest, feared) the Dodgers, we greatly admired his skills of description and storytelling. And we also learned that Farmer John is the easternmost in quality, and the westernmost in flavor. Whatever the hell that was supposed to mean.
Steve,
I’ve enjoyed all your “virtual” series, but this one hits the closest. I also spent a lot of summer days in the ‘60s listening to Russ Hodges and Lon Simmons (and Bill Thompson!) on KSFO during the day, and Vin Scully and Jerry Doggett on KFI at night. I hated the Dodgers and everything L.A. with the white-hot hatred only a 10-year-old can have, but could never hate Scully!
Thanks for bringing back some great memories…
Wonderful series, Steve, and simply cannot wait for the next effort. I enjoy the subtle examples of players that disappointed but had real, unrecognized talent. For example, in this effort we see a 16-11, 2.84 ERA effort by Rich Robertson. Just because he never approached such a record does not mean it was beyond him. And I think different circumstances and opportunities would lead to surprising results by overlooked players. The unexpected windfalls are as important to this kind of series as are the expected benefits from keeping or trading established players. It is an appreciated part of such a series. Thanks again, Steve, and keep up the good work.
This series is terrific. I read recently Felipe Alou’s saying that when the Giants lost the World Series in ‘62, he thought that with Mays, McCovey, etc. they’d be back over and over.
I was 16 in ‘62 and felt the same way.
When you have such an abundance of talent, maybe you think it’s OK to waste a little.
“… different circumstances and opportunities would lead to surprising results by overlooked players. The unexpected windfalls are as important to this kind of series as are the expected benefits from keeping or trading established players.”
That nails it. That’s exactly correct. And the thing is that this isn’t true only in a counterfactual exercise. It’s true in real life too.
What I find most fun when researching and compiling these things is precisely the unexpected “windfall” type player. I already have a pretty good idea of how the big names are going to go, but it’s discovering, or re-discovering, the smaller stories that keeps me guessing as to how in the world things will turn out.
And regarding Rich Robertson: I actually know Rich socially (we worked together at Hewlett-Packard back in the 1980s and still bump into one another now and again; he’s a very nice guy with a wicked sense of humor) and he shakes his head about his baseball career. He hurt his arm in 1971 and he acknowledges that no matter what, his career would have gone no further than that, but he was doing the best pitching of his life in 1968 and the Giants still had him stashed in triple-A, for the third straight year.
“When you have such an abundance of talent, maybe you think it’s OK to waste a little.”
Precisely, it seems clear that both the Giants and the Reds organizations fell into this trap.
“Have you consider giving the re-working treatment to the Bill James two great underperforming teams, the 1960s Braves and the 1990s Mariners? They certainly needed a little help.”
One I’d like to see, personally, is an alternate history of the Toronto Blue Jays from circa 1993-2000. Always found it odd how their farm system started turning out talent by the boatload pretty much immediately _after_ they won those back-to-back World Series (as noted in your Value Production Standings series).
outstanding series.
thanks.
i’ve always appreciated what mantle was, and how good stengal was, but comparing the yankees sucess from 1950 till ‘64, to the mess that mays lead the giants to, with all of the talent.
mantle was part of a team that had one solid pitcher, and berra.
mays had, well, lots of great playmates.
granted, mantle played in al, with five place holding teams, 110 games a year, but stengal did one heck of a job.
every year.
how did the giants mung things up so badly & so consistently?
thanks,
kevin warren